October 31, 2008

The Priesthood- Recap

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This session was particularly well-attended. We were blessed to have several women present, each of whom contributed to our discussion of priesthood and fatherhood. The Catholic priesthood was discussed from the standpoint of both creation and redemption, all things proceeding from the One Eternal Father.

The principle of headship was proposed as being of the essence of marriage, the state, the local church (diocese), the universal Church, and the Holy Trinity. The Father is the ἀρχή (source, authority, principle of unity) of the Holy Trinity, yet Father, Son and Holy Spirit are consubstantial (΄ομοούσιον), one God, co-equal in power, knowledge, majesty (etc.). Therefore, a relationship involving authority / subordination, as implied by headship, is not necessarily a relationship involving an essential or ontological inequality. From a trinitarian perspective, lawful headship in the home and both the universal and local Church can be understood in terms of fatherhood.

We considered, in light of the Incarnation (Christ being the "express image" of the Father), the relationship between the fatherhood of the Catholic presbyter and the priesthood of our Lord Jesus Christ. This inevitably led to a discussion of Calvary, the Eucharist, and the sacramental / onotological dimension of the presbyterate, which is rightly regarded as a sacerdotal office distinct from, though not unrelated to, the priesthood of the believer. From these complementary perspectives of creation-theology (fatherhood) and redemption-theology (priesthood), the Catholic teaching that the sacramental priesthood is reserved to men alone was brought into focus.

October 30, 2008

Transubstantiation - Recap

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This session was a smaller group allowing for more informal dialogue. We drew heavily on Father Kimel's excellent series on the Eucharist. We examined various competing theories including Occasionalism and Consubstantiation.

One of the more memorable questions we discussed was - "In what way does the ubiquity of Transubstantiation not violate the fullness of Christ's corporeality?" Other questions included - In what way do we actually receive Christ during Communion? How does Transubstantiation not result in cannibalism? Is it really possible to believe in "Real Presence" while not assenting to Transubstantiation as defined by Trent? Did Trent needlessly canonize Aristotelian metaphysics?

Active Participation - Recap

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In this session we discussed what was intended when Vatican II called for more active participation of the laity. Some of the questions entertained included - Can we be "actively participating" if we're not singing for example? Does "active participation" necessarily involve visible participation?

Sid Cundiff brought up the excellent point that the Latin phrase is better translated "actual participation".

Following an explanation by Father Reid of St. Anne's in Charlotte who had recently explained the participatory role of laity in the Tridentine mass, we explored how the Blessed Virgin actively participated at the foot of the cross and how our participation in the mass can and should mirror this even if we're not visibly active in the contemporary sense.

The discussion wasn't by any means an afront to any particular rubric in the Novus Ordo and various viewpoints were represented. Towards the end, Thomas Sims, RCIA director for St. Thomas Aquinas parish who is also an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion and a lector whose two daughters are altar servers, staged a mock debate with Sid Cundiff. Sid argued that the additional provisions (post Vatican II) for laity were not objectively superior in effecting "actual participation" of the laity while Thomas argued in the affirmative.

October 29, 2008

Vertical versus Horizontal Liturgy- Video

This is a short video with some highlights of our second meeting.

What is Liturgy & Lager?

Liturgy & Lager is a group that started in 2008. We meet one a month in the University Area in Charlotte at Texas Land & Cattle restaurant. We meet to discuss theological and liturgical issues which are of interest to the Catholic Church. The agenda is unapologetically Catholic though non-Catholics are welcome.

If you're interested in attending an upcoming session, please email Tim Troutman at timatroutman {at}gmail{dot}com.